
Let's say you had an ugly sweater in your closet that you'd never worn, perhaps one that was given as a birthday present from your Aunt in Milwaukee. Would you march down to Nordstrom in Chula Vista and demand they take it from you AND pay you the retail price of one of their sweaters? It IS a sweater, after all, and Nordstrom sells sweaters, don't they? Dream on.
Any reduction in load, whether due to solar-minded homeowners or industrial co-generators, does help the utility during peak load times, but it hurts them during off-peak times. After all, they need somebody to buy their power. Your retail rate is therefore an amalgamation of base and peak load power costs, plus the cost of delivery and maintenance of the system. In the good old days, this rate was set during negotiations between the utility and the CPUC, and was intended to provide grid stability, excellent power quality, and yes, a 'reasonable return on investment' for the utility. With true deregulation, all bets are off, on both sides. Under California's partial deregulation, the cards were intentionally stacked against the utilities and in favor of independent generators.
Be thankful there is still a subsidy on the purchase price of solar panel systems, and if the utility pays you anything over half the retail rate, be very happy about it.
Add the above mentioned "net metering" and the tax credits on one's income taxes and solar enjoys multiple subsidies from both taxpayer and ratepayers.
Power plants have to be built and spinning reserve has to be spinning since those owners still expect the utility grid to support them if the clouds block their sun. The savings in fuel have some value but the fossil fuel component of my California electric bill is a small and shrinking component of the overall cost of electric service.
As taxpayer and a ratepayer who doesn't own a solar power system, I'm paying for some rich guy's hobby power plant and getting next to NOTHING in return. My only comfort is that that solar owner is enjoying little more than a trendy status symbol for his 10's of thousands of dollars "investment" in solar.
Making electricity for the grid from solar is a huge folly and an exercise at collective self-delusion - the kind that we Californians seem to excel at.
The concern raised that the net metered customers will not be paying “their fair share” of the capacity costs is a valid one if they are on an energy only tariff. This can be corrected by installation and use of a peak demand meter. The increased cost for the metering should be borne by the solar customer.
As to "a virtual pumped storage unit," a REAL pumped storage unit is under the control of the system dispatcher and is not affected by externalities such as clouds or the earth's rotations. The big advantage of pumped storage is the control and flexibility it offers - solar offers neither advantage. This is a very weak analogy at best.
If I switch to a different electric provider my original provider can't charge me every month on all the power I produce, nor should they be able to charge me if I stay with them and continue to pay the other standard fees. After all, if they don't provide me a service they should not charge me as if they did.

With considerable experience in the engineering construction business I have to tell you that the actual cost of the installation, regardless of how it hidden by subsidies, grants, etc,. represents large amounts of cement/concrete, reinforcing cars and structural steel, manufacturing and processing, etc. as well as man-years of effort. These not only consume energy but produce pollutants depending on the source of the energy as well as the processes being used. These cannot be "swept under the rug" because they were incurred prior to operation.
I believe about the best that can be done with windmills is about $ 1,000 per peak capacity. If these run at 25 % of peak the cost per true peak capacity is then $ 4,000 per KW. In addition, the "system" has to provide for peak capacity in case the sun is out during a peak which would add a few hundred more dollars to the cost and related energy consumption and pollution. You can hide the costs but they are still there and they are real.
Rough comparable costs might be $ 1,200 for coal-fired plants, $ 1,500 for nuclear, $ 600 for combined cycle gas, etc.
The only reason the public strongly favor solar energy is the misinformation provided on the costs, environnmental impacts, energy balances, etc., leading to the visualization of a "free" and infinite source of clean energy. It just ain't so!
W. Kenneth Davis 10 August 2003
So if the Tooth Fairy leaves some solar cells under your pillow, make him (or her) take them back - that Fairy did you no favor. Unfortunately our governments seem to want to persist in playing electrical Tooth Fairy.
As a solar designer and installer (we are not hobbyists) I can appreciate the problems associated with being a slave to the solar cycles. These problems are especially apparent when designing solar thermal systems in northern latitudes! I realize that these vagaries do not mesh well with the highly controlled delivery of electricity on a modern grid. The solutions, however, are at hand and with a little imagination, which seems to be sorely lacking in the group which has previously spoken here, we can work it out. A few of the many solutions being developed NOW (but chiefly not in the U.S.):
Hydrogen production by solar or wind powered electrolyzers.
Giant batteries.
New ways to synchronize loads with the solar cycles.
You guys can be dinosaurs if you wish, but please tone down the rhetoric. Some of us are actually working out the glitches in renewables and one day you will have to eat your acidic words, my friends. Have a Nice Day.
-Jeremy Smithson
Yes, it will stretch the system(s) to move to cleaner generating methods. Yes, they will be costly, inconvenient and a hassle for entrenched interests. (By the way, I have nothing against making a profit by generating electricity - I just see a need for us to do better by our children and their children, etc..) This is all merely a continuation of the Industrial Age. Remember those pictures of London during the coal-fired textile boom? We have moved away from such excesses, thankfully. Now it's time to do more to clean up the process. Onward!
1) Physics 2) Biology.
As to physics, a fissioning uranium atom releases 200,000,000 electron volts. The average photon of light that makes it to the earth's surface is maybe 2 electron volts in a 300 deg K world. Since making commercially useful power depends on energy differences, nuclear energy is clearly favored from the most fundamental first principles.
As to biology, as living creatures, humans in industrial societies need energy in large quantities under human control as to when and where. Solar only produces under the right conditions of meteorology and astronomy. Humans have struggled for millennia to escape the limitations of living in pre-technological solar-powered economies. Human desires and solar limitations do not match.
I do wish the advocates of solar power success and will support a reasonable expenditure on R&D for solar cells via my tax dollars although private investment is the preferred route. Just don't clog our functioning electrical grid with your product until you can deliver what people really want and don't befuddle the complicated economics of electric supply and distribution systems with subsidies and preferments. I'll stand by my assessment of people who own residential solar electric systems as "hobbyists" - no way is such a purchase a sound business decision. This title need not apply to those who build hardware for them. "True Believer" may well apply to both.
Come back when you have something to sell in a free market. Selling hope to politicians who are spending OPM is too easy.
As to "hidden subsidies" to nuclear power, waste disposal costs are fully recovered in electric rates as are funds for decommissioning. Frankly, nuclear power has paid back it's initial R&D investment many times over and is now a tax cash cow for governments besides producing the cheapest, cleanest electricity (other than existing hydro). With all these hidden costs floating around, the US must be a completely improvished society!
Call me "mean spirited" if you will, but the solar lobby is wasting my money and deluding our citizens about solar's realistic chances of success. The solar advocates depend on compelled inequities for any market penetration - since I'm on the paying end of those inequities I have a right to be indignant.

